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		<title>Comment on Economy, war, Brittanywatch, economy, war, dems fighting, etc&#8230; by Robert</title>
		<link>http://justkem.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/economy-war-brittanywatch-economy-war-dems-fighting-etc/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO, No. You did not address my points at all. Adoption was the last thing I raised. Most of my discussion was about the rights of the unborn. Which, based on Roe v Wade, are few rights, indeed. However, these are moral questions that are at issue. Obviously the law of the land is proabortion. However, to decided whether it is moral brings in the idea of considering the unborn child. Does the unborn child have a 'say' in the decision to be put-to-death? I think it ought to. Birth control is so easy nowadays. It is a wonder that anybody has an unplanned pregnancy. But, for the under-educated, who eith don't know, don't care, or have ulterior motives, they will be perpetually getting pregnant. They will be using the abortion system. They will lose out, in a Darwinian sense. And that is fine with me. But to allow such a decision to be made with such cavalier, is sad. We humans ought to be better than that. 

The pro-abortionist always juxtapose the unborn' death with the pitiful life they would have to endure, being born into poverty, for instance. Death? That is better than poverty? Is there no spark of imagination that may make their pitiful life have some meaning? Is there no higher principle, beyond modern comforts, that make life worth living? Have we, as a society only focused on our personal cushy existance, so much so,that we conclude that any other, poor, hapless, hand-to-mouth, existance is worse than Death? 

The pro-death folks don't like to use terms such as death, killing, murder, fetalicide. Those terms are a stark reminder that our humanity is was is being killed, figuritively, but the baby is killed, literally. 

Don't slough off the "Beethoven" argument too lightly. Many a brilliant person came from quite meager beginings. Can not we humans excercise self-control, restraint, hope, perseverance? Are these concepts good only for the history books?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO, No. You did not address my points at all. Adoption was the last thing I raised. Most of my discussion was about the rights of the unborn. Which, based on Roe v Wade, are few rights, indeed. However, these are moral questions that are at issue. Obviously the law of the land is proabortion. However, to decided whether it is moral brings in the idea of considering the unborn child. Does the unborn child have a &#8217;say&#8217; in the decision to be put-to-death? I think it ought to. Birth control is so easy nowadays. It is a wonder that anybody has an unplanned pregnancy. But, for the under-educated, who eith don&#8217;t know, don&#8217;t care, or have ulterior motives, they will be perpetually getting pregnant. They will be using the abortion system. They will lose out, in a Darwinian sense. And that is fine with me. But to allow such a decision to be made with such cavalier, is sad. We humans ought to be better than that. </p>
<p>The pro-abortionist always juxtapose the unborn&#8217; death with the pitiful life they would have to endure, being born into poverty, for instance. Death? That is better than poverty? Is there no spark of imagination that may make their pitiful life have some meaning? Is there no higher principle, beyond modern comforts, that make life worth living? Have we, as a society only focused on our personal cushy existance, so much so,that we conclude that any other, poor, hapless, hand-to-mouth, existance is worse than Death? </p>
<p>The pro-death folks don&#8217;t like to use terms such as death, killing, murder, fetalicide. Those terms are a stark reminder that our humanity is was is being killed, figuritively, but the baby is killed, literally. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t slough off the &#8220;Beethoven&#8221; argument too lightly. Many a brilliant person came from quite meager beginings. Can not we humans excercise self-control, restraint, hope, perseverance? Are these concepts good only for the history books?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Economy, war, Brittanywatch, economy, war, dems fighting, etc&#8230; by justkem</title>
		<link>http://justkem.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/economy-war-brittanywatch-economy-war-dems-fighting-etc/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>justkem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

Yes, I covered that.  See point #4.  There are plenty of human beings who need love and support, food and shelter.  Having a baby just to give it away is quite literally taking food from the mouths of others in need of charity.

Your argument is the classic "killing Beethoven" one that pro-lifer's always come up with. The difference between your philosophy and my philosophy is that I don't value the potential life that could result as highly as I value the life that already exists on the planet and is in need of help.

The "other people involved" are not as heavily invested in the project as the mother.  Her body, her choice.  I agree that it's a pretty cruddy thing to do to a guy, killing his unborn child and all... but I have to say that if you're going to go to bed with someone, you should know them well enough to know how they feel about procreation and taking on parental responsibilities.  If the woman's views don't mesh well with your own, and you're unable to cope with the fact that your lack of a womb means you don't get the final decision, then you should find someone who is more likely to let you guilt them into having a baby against her better judgment.

Just don't be surprised when I bitch a little about paying for his free lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Yes, I covered that.  See point #4.  There are plenty of human beings who need love and support, food and shelter.  Having a baby just to give it away is quite literally taking food from the mouths of others in need of charity.</p>
<p>Your argument is the classic &#8220;killing Beethoven&#8221; one that pro-lifer&#8217;s always come up with. The difference between your philosophy and my philosophy is that I don&#8217;t value the potential life that could result as highly as I value the life that already exists on the planet and is in need of help.</p>
<p>The &#8220;other people involved&#8221; are not as heavily invested in the project as the mother.  Her body, her choice.  I agree that it&#8217;s a pretty cruddy thing to do to a guy, killing his unborn child and all&#8230; but I have to say that if you&#8217;re going to go to bed with someone, you should know them well enough to know how they feel about procreation and taking on parental responsibilities.  If the woman&#8217;s views don&#8217;t mesh well with your own, and you&#8217;re unable to cope with the fact that your lack of a womb means you don&#8217;t get the final decision, then you should find someone who is more likely to let you guilt them into having a baby against her better judgment.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t be surprised when I bitch a little about paying for his free lunch.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why McCain? by justkem</title>
		<link>http://justkem.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/why-mccain/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>justkem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, Brian.  If you're going to be a shitty parent and you know it, I'm pro-abortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, Brian.  If you&#8217;re going to be a shitty parent and you know it, I&#8217;m pro-abortion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why McCain? by brian</title>
		<link>http://justkem.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/why-mccain/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really?  pro-abortion?  I mean, I could understand (though I may not agree with) pro-choice...but pro abortion seems a little extreme!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really?  pro-abortion?  I mean, I could understand (though I may not agree with) pro-choice&#8230;but pro abortion seems a little extreme!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Economy, war, Brittanywatch, economy, war, dems fighting, etc&#8230; by Robert</title>
		<link>http://justkem.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/economy-war-brittanywatch-economy-war-dems-fighting-etc/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Kem, gotta disagree with you on this one. 

birthcontrol does not equate to abortion. It is more than only analysis of one's ability to be a good parent, or having sufficient funds to see it through. It is all about taking personal responsibility for one's actions. Being a good parent may very well translate to a successful childhood for the offspring, but that pales when one considers that the "choice" is death. Just because I may have been born into a poor family, or to crappy parents does NOT mean I should be given the death penalty. From the offspring's point of view the woman's choice is mortal. 

Your blog only takes the view of the woman--not the other people involved. 

Birth control is a shortcut to living a life of risk-free fun. Abstenence (sp?) is the only 100% way to ensure a baby is not produced whilst 'having fun' was the object. Take sex out of the picture and abortions go to zero. The 'choice' should be: ADOPTION.


Cheers!

Robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Kem, gotta disagree with you on this one. </p>
<p>birthcontrol does not equate to abortion. It is more than only analysis of one&#8217;s ability to be a good parent, or having sufficient funds to see it through. It is all about taking personal responsibility for one&#8217;s actions. Being a good parent may very well translate to a successful childhood for the offspring, but that pales when one considers that the &#8220;choice&#8221; is death. Just because I may have been born into a poor family, or to crappy parents does NOT mean I should be given the death penalty. From the offspring&#8217;s point of view the woman&#8217;s choice is mortal. </p>
<p>Your blog only takes the view of the woman&#8211;not the other people involved. </p>
<p>Birth control is a shortcut to living a life of risk-free fun. Abstenence (sp?) is the only 100% way to ensure a baby is not produced whilst &#8216;having fun&#8217; was the object. Take sex out of the picture and abortions go to zero. The &#8216;choice&#8217; should be: ADOPTION.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>Robert</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why McCain? by Glock21</title>
		<link>http://justkem.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/why-mccain/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Glock21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"and who probably sprinkles ground up hippy on his breakfast cereal"

Also goes well on salads.

Nice post, though I'm obviously biased on any defense of McCain involving hippies as a condiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and who probably sprinkles ground up hippy on his breakfast cereal&#8221;</p>
<p>Also goes well on salads.</p>
<p>Nice post, though I&#8217;m obviously biased on any defense of McCain involving hippies as a condiment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on a pragmatic sort of pacifism by Why McCain? &#171; Justkem&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://justkem.wordpress.com/2007/08/10/15/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Why McCain? &#171; Justkem&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when that faith in others is used to drive policy or fused in any way with the military), anti-war, and pretty open-minded when it comes to love and the different ways that people choose to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] when that faith in others is used to drive policy or fused in any way with the military), anti-war, and pretty open-minded when it comes to love and the different ways that people choose to [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nature vs. Nurture, the genetics of submission and the Will to Power by Why McCain? &#171; Justkem&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why McCain? &#171; Justkem&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that the GOP traditionally targets when they build their ads.  I&#8217;m pro-abortion, generally against religion (or at the very least, against the concept of faith in others to define what is inherently [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that the GOP traditionally targets when they build their ads.  I&#8217;m pro-abortion, generally against religion (or at the very least, against the concept of faith in others to define what is inherently [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Economy, war, Brittanywatch, economy, war, dems fighting, etc&#8230; by Why McCain? &#171; Justkem&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://justkem.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/economy-war-brittanywatch-economy-war-dems-fighting-etc/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Why McCain? &#171; Justkem&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] don&#8217;t fit the model that the GOP traditionally targets when they build their ads.  I&#8217;m pro-abortion, generally against religion (or at the very least, against the concept of faith in others to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] don&#8217;t fit the model that the GOP traditionally targets when they build their ads.  I&#8217;m pro-abortion, generally against religion (or at the very least, against the concept of faith in others to [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on A new kind of 401K&#8230; by justkem</title>
		<link>http://justkem.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/a-new-kind-of-401k/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>justkem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Throw a shiny bead or two my way, and we can probably work something out.  I mean, hell.  It worked on the Native Americans, and there's a group who got *seriously* screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throw a shiny bead or two my way, and we can probably work something out.  I mean, hell.  It worked on the Native Americans, and there&#8217;s a group who got *seriously* screwed.</p>
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